Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] Speaker A: Welcome to the Players Association Stitch by Stitch podcast where we talk to current and former players about union history, baseball and the bond that players share across generations.
In this episode, we talk to Dick Bosman, whose association with baseball spanned more than 50 years as a pitcher and longtime pitching coach and mentor, who with several big league clubs.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: Two out, ninth inning, three, two. Oakland got him and that'll do it.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: Dick won an American League era title in 1969 and threw a 79 pitch no hitter against Reggie Jackson, Sal Bando and the Oakland A's in 1974 while armed with a fastball that generally topped out in the mid-80s.
He was also a tenacious union advocate, a stance that led to his sudden and premature departure from the game at age 32.
[00:01:04] Speaker B: I believed in the cause early. I said, I want to be the rep. You were an adversary of ownership because of who you were and what you represented.
[00:01:14] Speaker A: It's been quite a journey for the fearless and resourceful kid from Kenosha, Wisconsin.
You spent three years in the minors. The minor league is unionized a couple of years ago. What was it like for a minor leaguer back when you played in the minors? Conditions and the things you had to deal with?
[00:01:35] Speaker B: Well, you know, first of all, we were just glad to play. There was no draft. You went to whoever you thought you wanted to sign with. And Pittsburgh, of course, wined and dined me, so to speak, a little. A lot more than the other clubs that came around, you know, at the end of that season, you know, Al said, we're going to put you on the Triple A roster. And I thought, oh boy, I'm really moving up quick here. While they were doing that to keep me from getting drafted on the big league roster by somebody else. And here I am as a 19 year old in spring training with Willie Mays and Juan Marischal and all those guys in Arizona. That was a great experience. Alvin Dark was the manager over there who I ended up pitching for later on in Oakland. And then I ended up in, in North Carolina and what was called the Western Carolina League. He never complained about conditions or anything like that. And then I ended up having to get into the military because Vietnam was going hot and heavy.
And Ray Miller and I joined the National Guard. We went to spring, I mean, basic training and I found out I got traded to Washington.
So here I am, three years in pro ball and I'm three organizations. But being the optimist that I was, am, I chose to believe that everybody wanted me, not that nobody wanted me.
And, you know, a Year and a half later, I'm in the big leagues. Wasn't ready, but there I was.
[00:02:57] Speaker A: So I think it was in 66 that Marvin starts going around to organize their union. Were you in the clubhouse? Do you remember meetings? What do you remember about early encounters with Marvin trying to form the union?
[00:03:12] Speaker B: Spring training, 66, Pompano Beach.
We're sitting in the outfield, and Marvin addressed our ball club.
It was an E.F. hutton moment for me. I mean, I always say that when he spoke, you listened and you listened hard because he had a lot to say. My own mind, even at that time, said, I want to be around this guy. I'm going to be a smarter guy and a better guy if I can be around Marvin Miller. I said, I want to be the rep.
Because at the time, we were hooked up with Chrysler Corporation, and the rep got a car.
So I'm like, well, that'd be pretty cool.
I think that deal went away by the time I. But, you know, there was so much turnover in Washington in those days that, you know, the reps came and went and came and went. And even then, you were an adversary of ownership because of who you were and what you represented. And, you know, I mean, I didn't care about that. I mean, I did, but I didn't.
And I believed in the cause early.
And, you know, even. Even early on, there wasn't a lot of conversation about free agency yet. It was just about getting, you know, our benefits for pensions. And, of course, that's the reason that we went out the first time. Anyway. I don't know if Leo derocher was around yet then or not, but I think he tried to break up one of the meetings.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: We've actually heard this. Larry Durker told us this. He said some players are in the outfield holding a meeting, and Leo was, like, hitting fungos at him to scatter them around.
So some of the old lines, sort of baseball people did not care for the idea of a union, right?
[00:04:55] Speaker B: Well, they didn't. They didn't because they were afraid of ownership, and they didn't know any better. Anyway, all due respect, because that's all we ever knew. You know, I mean, it was the reserve rules, and that's all there was. You know, you took what they gave you. You always, you know, like Jerry Narran used to say, you always came hat in hand. You know, what can I get here, please? Pay me this, pay me that. Which, of course, they never did.
So that's kind of the way it was. But there was that Glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel when Marvin came in, and he always said, the money's there, guys. It's going to be up to you guys to get it. I will guide you and advise you, but we need to be unified to do this. I'll always remember that you said that,
[00:05:43] Speaker A: like, when he came to that first meeting, you were kind of wrapped attention.
What was it about his bearing and his demeanor and also just again, maybe a little more about the message that he was giving that you found sort of so captivating?
[00:06:01] Speaker B: Well, I think it was just mainly that we were getting the short end of the stick on just about everything that went on. Meal money. I don't care what it was. It was very matter of fact. It was never emotional. It was always, guys, this is the way it is. And this is what I see, and this is. This is where we need to start going. Here was just a very comforting, reassuring tone of voice. He is the reason why we were unified, why that we were informed and knew what route to take. When he came aboard, was there a
[00:06:35] Speaker A: bit of sort of like people saying, hey, if you're a rep and you agitate a little too much, you might risk some career backlash?
[00:06:45] Speaker B: I think that that was always kind of an understanding.
You know, I don't think anybody really came up to me and said, hey, Bozzi, you got to be. You got to be careful about this stuff.
Because even in my. I wasn't a rebel, but I also felt like we needed to stand up for what was fairly ours.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: Once the first CBA came and was signed, what differences did you notice?
[00:07:12] Speaker B: Well, I think spring training money, you know, what was called Murphy money, you know, improved. You know, our meal money on the road improved somewhat. You were trying to salt away money for pension. Yes, but even in those early days, I mean, it wasn't until 72, you know, that things came to a head and we had our first strike.
[00:07:34] Speaker A: First strike was April 1st through April 13th, 1972. We wanted to increase the pension fund payments, but there were, what, 13 days early in the season when the game shut down. What was that like, being a player and having the game go on strike and not playing? Like, were you walking picket lines?
What were you doing?
[00:07:57] Speaker B: Well, it was me, Mincher and Davey Nelson, and Mincher was in New York. Davey and I were in spring training. And the word came down that we were going to strike. We were at an impasse, and that the only way we were going to get the agreement on pension money was going to be to go Out.
I told Hondo, Frank Howard, I said, champort, we're gonna. We're gonna strike tomorrow morning.
And I said, I need you to stand up there with me and Davey when we talk to these guys and tell them what's going on. So we go in the next morning, we got a meeting.
And I said, executive committee has voted that we're going to strike this morning.
And I said, we're not going over to Lauderdale to play the Yankees today, and we're going to be out until.
Until this thing is agreed upon. I said, I need you guys to check in with me and Davey about where you're going to go and the numbers that you're going to have that we can reach you at.
I said, I'm heading for Texas.
And I told Hondo, after the meeting, I said, chapter, I said, I'm glad you were standing. I said, my legs were shaking so bad. I said, I. I didn't know what to do. You know, Bob Short had walked in right after we concluded the meeting and said, you guys need to get on that bus and go down there to Lauderdale and play the Yankees and Honda. Said that big booming voice is. He says, bob, executive committee has voted a strike, and we're going to be on strike until you guys can get this thing together. Let's go, men.
And out he went. And here we were sitting in Arlington, had no stadium to work out in. We had to find little league ballparks and high school fields, whatever it was, every day to try and get a workout in.
I remember we didn't have any equipment other than what we stole out of spring training.
And, you know, we were running out of stuff.
And I guess the word got back to Fred Baxter, our equipment guy. And one day we're at this high school field and a pickup truck rolled by and Harry was standing in the pickup bed and he threw out two dozen bats and a whole bunch of baseballs and gave us a wave and drove off.
So we had a little bit of equipment for a few more days, and I'm telling you, 13 days, it was like months, you know, I mean, we didn't have any money and we don't know, strike fund or any of that stuff. And, you know, we're starting to look on the paper for construction jobs. And, you know, word finally came down, you know, that the strike was over and we had one, one or two days to work out at the ballpark.
And then we jumped on an airplane and headed for Anaheim and picked up the season right where it would have been.
[00:10:37] Speaker A: Geez, so were you involved in any of the talks as a player rep that they were holding, or how did you keep in touch with everything that was going on?
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Not involved in the talks at all.
Mincher being there was kind of taking care of that end of us and keeping us abreast as well as he could about what was going on.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: How stressful is that? Waiting for, like, Don Mincher has to start calling each guy or guys start to say, hey, you call these guys and you call these guys. And just staying unified without communications being the way they are now.
It seems like a different world, but what was that like?
[00:11:20] Speaker B: Well, it was.
I don't really recall having that much difficulty staying in touch with everybody, because everybody wanted to play, of course, and everybody wanted to get this thing going, but there wasn't a single word of mutiny giving in. Let's just go play. None of that. None of that. That's. Even in the early days like that, Jerry, that. That's how close guys were and unified in. In. In the cause.
[00:11:48] Speaker A: What do you attribute that to? Was it a lot of it, Marvin, or was it just the fact that guys were tired of getting the short end?
[00:11:56] Speaker B: I think. I think it was a lot of. Of, of, of of that.
I think it was the camaraderie, the unification that.
I don't want to say peer pressure, but I'm sure there was probably some of that, too.
But I just think that guys just felt like, I ain't giving in. I'm not gonna. You know, we're in this together, and that's pretty much how it's going to be. My wife, Pam, was. Was overdue with our first child.
She flew on her due date. She was an Eastern Airlines stewardess.
And Joe DeVito and I and Paul Lindblad jumped in our cars and took off.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: So did your wife give birth during the strike?
[00:12:37] Speaker B: We go to Anaheim and open up. I get beat one nothing by Andy Messersmith. That went like eight and a third. Lynn Blad came in and Hal King couldn't catch a slider, and the winning run scored. Anyway, we. We played three or four ball games in there, and then we come back to Arlington for the opener, the way the schedule was going to be. And I get the draw because it's my turn, right?
The opening day. My mom and dad are in from Wisconsin, and I go to the ballpark. You know, it's. It's game day. It's the opener. I'm gonna pitch Master Smith's pitch, and I beat him. I don't know Eight to three or something like that. I think I pitched seven, eight innings. She, she didn't say anything, man.
You know, she didn't say anything. Well, it turns out she's in labor all day. So I'm in a clubhouse and the phone rings. It's Bob Short. He says, bozzie, you better hurry up. She's ready to go. Holy cow. So I throw my clothes on and I gotta run around center field and up the, the left field side.
And here she is in the car and there's a police escort sitting around the car.
I thought she was having a baby in the car, man.
Well, we get a police escort to Harris Hospital.
I got a little cooler of Coors beer in the back and she's still in labor in there. And it took a while. And I'm going back and forth to the parking lot, knocking back of Coors and going back in. And I think it was five or six hours later. Finally Michelle was born.
[00:14:02] Speaker A: Wow. Strike year baby.
[00:14:04] Speaker B: Unbelievable.
[00:14:05] Speaker A: I assume you told her the story afterwards.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: Many times. She, you know, we have two daughters of our own, two adopted kids and our two daughters, you know, of course, Michelle being, she was the baseball baby. She's the most interested in baseball. Oh yeah, she knows the story very well.
[00:14:23] Speaker A: You had mentioned during the shutdown some of you guys started maybe looking for jobs. Did you have to work in the off season to sort of supplement your income? What did you do?
[00:14:34] Speaker B: For sure, you know, I mean, I sold clothes at Iserman Brothers in Kenosha. I can tell you right now what size suit you wear and what length sleeves you got. What's your next.
I mean, I, I did that, you know, because you did, you know, it was Wisconsin, it was winter time then. They don't have winter times anymore or not like that, but I was snowmobile rep for Articat and heck, I was traveling all over the place to these car, to these races and everything. And I got to the point where I'm like, hell, I'm traveling as much in the winter as I am in the summer. Maybe I'd like to be a snowmobile dealer.
So I get a franchise and sold snowmobiles in the wintertime for three years. Guess what? It didn't snow for three years or very little. And when it did, then it would rain on top of it. So anyway, it was a very ill advised business venture. But that was another thing that I did that I went into the car business in the wintertime out in Northern Virginia, Coons Ford.
And I did that to say how one of these days, I'm not going to be able to play anymore. I never thought about a coaching career in those days.
[00:15:41] Speaker A: So you played from 66 to 76, and then in the off seasons, you did the snowmobile sales and the. All the other stuff. Your whole career you had a second job to make extra money.
[00:15:55] Speaker B: You made extra money. You made it to make ends meet. That's right. You know, I mean, we didn't, you know, the most I ever made as a player was 54 grand. And that was cash in a playoff check with Oakland and, you know, was always, take it or leave it, man. This is. You won the RA title. Big deal. Here's 10 grand.
Oh, you won 16 games for a lousy ball club. Here's 10 grand.
You know, that's. That's just kind of how it was.
[00:16:22] Speaker A: Even after the union came squeezing money out of these teams, it wasn't like all of a sudden, I think the minimum went from 6,000 to 10,000.
Like, even after the union came, it wasn't like all of a sudden teams were throwing money. Like, it was always a. Wasn't it always a struggle when you'd sort of go in. You didn't have an agent, probably, right? Did you just go in and talk to the owner and say, hey, I had a great year and I'd like this. And he'd say, start laughing and say, here, how did that work out?
[00:16:54] Speaker B: I think there was only one or two times that I ever was face to face with the owner to negotiate, and I was making like 14 grand or something like that. I didn't have a very good year, but he gave me 18 grand.
And I was like, wow, that's pretty cool. Then at the end, then three or four years later when I was. When I figured it out a little bit, and Ted Williams helped me tremendously in the mental part of how to pitch. It made all the difference. By the way, Pam and I went to Washington for the player of the Year banquet that night. We all got awards. And the next day we had lunch with Bob Short and Joe Burke. You know, I'm making.
I don't know what I was making. 30 grand maybe, and I won 16 ball games.
That's after an ERA winning year. The year before that, I pitched 250 innings.
I won 16 games, and we managed to lose the last 13 in a row. And I sat there and Short said, well, what do you think? I says, well, I'm worth 45 grand if I'm working nickel. And Burke chimed in and said, well, I Think he pitched better than last year.
And I looked at him and I said, what games were you watching?
I was so insulted.
And Short said, well, what'll it take to sign you?
I said, 42 grand.
And Burke was about to throw up his frickin lunch, I think. And Short said, you got a deal. And that's the only time I think I ever was face to face with an owner to negotiate any kind of a contract.
[00:18:27] Speaker A: Bob Short was the owner and Burke was the gm, I guess.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes.
[00:18:32] Speaker A: So it was like squeezing blood out of a Turner.
[00:18:37] Speaker B: Well, it was because, remember, you know, free agency didn't show up until 76.
So here we are in 71. 70. 71 in there. So the reserve rules were still alive and well.
[00:18:51] Speaker A: What do you remember about Kurt Flood and his challenge and all the stuff he was going through?
[00:18:59] Speaker B: We knew a lot about what was going on with him and we were pretty, pretty respectful and we admired him a lot for the stand that he took.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: So you go to Oakland, were you the player rep there when Charlie Finley was the owner? And I got to imagine it was interesting, just the whole being involved in sort of the move toward free agency on a team that had Charlie Finley as the owner.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: I get traded over there because I got, I know, hit him the year before, Catfish had gotten out of there.
There was a loophole in his contract and Finley wouldn't pay a annuity and all that stuff. And so I get there and it's not long after I get. I went six in a row when I got there.
I mean, all you had to do is go 7, 6, 7, 8 innings and then give the ball to Raleigh and Raleigh was going to finish it. The meeting happens and Bando and Reggie are the reps and they're going to resign. They thought that they were going to be able to work a deal with Finley to get. Because free agency was coming. And they figured if they weren't reps, maybe they could get a deal done. And they announced this.
And then Sal or Reggie look at me and say, hey, Bozzy, you've been a rep for a while. Why don't you want to do this?
So I thought about this for a little bit and I said, well, wait a minute. I said, you guys, you're all got more time in than I do.
And you know, remember we had, we had Billy Williams there and ron Fairley, Willie McCovey. I said, you know, when you get done playing, you're probably going to want your pension.
And I says, here's an opportunity to serve your Union. And I said, I haven't seen a single hand go up. I said, you know, you get meals on planes and you get this and that, and everybody bitches about not getting first class meals and you're sitting in tourist class and all that stuff, but here's an opportunity for you to serve your union.
And I said, you guys are hiding in your lockers, Not a whimper out of anybody. In my heart, I knew that if I did this somewhere down the road, I might get bit in the ass.
But I still had Marvin Miller in my mind. And I said, I believe in what we're doing. I'll do it. Wow.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: So you were the rep during the 75, 76, when everything happened, you said you might get bit in the ass. Did you get bit in the ass?
[00:21:30] Speaker B: Yes. We go to spring training now at 77, and everybody's gone.
Vita Blue and I are the only guys left off the playoff club. 75.
Sal's gone, Raleigh's gone. Reggie, of course, had gotten traded to Baltimore the year before. We're getting ready to go to Sun City to play a ball game, and we've got a player rep meeting over there. And Finley calls and Joe McKeon's the manager now.
And Joe Six was head out of the car to the office and said, bozzy, Charlie's on the phone.
So I go in there, I had no idea what he wanted. And I said, what's up?
He says, I understand you got a player rep meeting today over in Sun City. I said, yeah, we got a meeting over there. He says, well, you need to elect a new player rep because I'm releasing you this morning. Exact words.
Wow. And I said, are you serious? He said, yeah, we've. We've made a. Decide to make a move here. I said, well, I said, I'm 16 and 4 for you in two years, and you couldn't make a deal for me this winter.
Well, we were busy. I said, yeah, busy.
I see. You got me because I was a rep, didn't you?
He said, well, well, good luck.
The traveling secretary has got the papers for you.
Click.
That was it.
I called Cleveland. Frank Robinson answers the phone.
Now, Frank and I had a wonderful relationship.
I told him what happened.
He says, you need to get over here right now. He had four starting pitchers on the Sable list.
Now, remember, we're six days from opening day. So I drive over there.
So I got my old number back. I got my old locker back. Here we go. So I get there, Frank's like, we'll pitch you tomorrow. So we go over to Sun City, and you know who's ever starting. He says, you got the fifth.
So I go down the bullpen and warm up, and they said that a guy from the league office, Joe Reichler, was there, and he had. When it came down to the dugout, and he said to Frank, he said, hey. He says, bosman can't pitch. He's on waivers. And Frank said, this guy's pitching for his career. He's. I'll take responsibility for this.
I always remembered that.
So I pitched. Did okay.
Two days later, Segi calls me in and without looking up from his papers, says, I can't do nothing for you. Finley had called everybody and said, don't sign him.
[00:23:58] Speaker A: Really?
[00:23:59] Speaker B: And I said to Segi, I said, you got, you. You can't do anything for me. I'm a healthy starting pitcher and you got four guys on the DL. Well, that's just the way it is.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: You got blackballed, basically.
[00:24:11] Speaker B: It sounds exactly. Well, the end of that story was the Indians, where I was right there in Tucson. The Indians were playing the Cubs, and Alvin was now the third base coach for Herman Franks.
So I went down on the field and talked to Alvin, told him what had happened. He said, let me introduce you to Bob Kennedy.
So I meet Bob Kennedy and he says, all right. He says, you go head over to Scottsdale and check into one of our suites. He says, you stay there and you make your phone calls and you can get a deal.
Great. If you can't, he says, we'd like you to go to Witch and be ready to come up in May when the season ex extends itself.
So I went over there, worked out, made my calls.
Of course, now it's five days before the open. Unless somebody falls off a bar stool somewhere, I ain't got a job in the big leagues.
So now it's. The club's getting ready to break camp.
And I said, I don't think I want to do this.
I talked to my wife, Pam.
She said, come home.
She said, where's your pride?
She said, you know, you don't have to go to the minor leagues.
You. You're a good big league pitcher. And this is what happened.
There's no guarantees, which I know there's not when you go to the minor leagues.
So I called Hondo.
I said, big boy, I'm done.
He said, well, you know what you got to do.
So that was it.
I was done.
[00:25:55] Speaker A: So you went back and you became a coach, and you obviously were successful doing that. You made a life in Baseball.
What did it mean to you that one of the things you fought for, obviously, early, was like the pension you mentioned as the big thing. What has that meant to you in your life?
Pension and maybe some of the other things that weren't around before the union.
[00:26:20] Speaker B: Well, it has, of course. I mean, you know, we, you know, we. We've. I'm under the old pension plan, of course, because, you know, I took my pension when I was 45.
You know, at that time, I was still in the car business, and I had a wife and two kids and a mortgage, and we needed to do that.
And I knew that taking it early was going to diminish it. But, you know, here I am at 80. My driver's license says I'm 81.
We've been beneficiary of that for quite a while.
And, you know, a minor league pension on top of that, you know, has been. Has been beneficial as well. Now, is it anything like today's player? No, but I didn't play today, so I get that. And, you know, we have been, you know, our major league medical plan and all that kind of stuff has been. Has been pretty. Pretty beneficial as well.
[00:27:14] Speaker A: Do you feel like if you just hadn't been a rep or hadn't been a voice for players that you would have played several more years?
[00:27:23] Speaker B: I. I do. You never know, of course, but, you know, I was a healthy pitcher who didn't get the pitch as much in 76 as I could have when Tanner was a manager. I was 32 years old. Jared, you know, I mean, there was. There's, you know, I wasn't hurt. You know, I wasn't hurt for the two years in Oakland. Yeah, I probably could have played more. Yeah. Now it's water over the dam. Everything happens for a reason.
[00:27:47] Speaker A: What would you like, as somebody who's around almost 60 years ago when this thing started, to the young kids, to know.
[00:27:55] Speaker B: Well, first of all, I'd like them to do, like, exactly. What you're doing with this now is to educate them as far as where it was and understand that traditionally today's player has always made sure that yesterday's player has been taken care of and included in negotiations and pension benefits and different things that. That we negotiated into the contracts that they have today and to not lose sight of the fact that we went through hell and high water to get where we are today.
You need to be unified. You need to be informed of the issues. So stick to your guns and make sure that those benefits are taken care of. You know, you can't be afraid.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: They went through, what, eight or nine strikes and lockouts, and it became kind of customary.
But that first one was like, it was uncharted waters. Right. It must have been like, you guys must have been, we're doing something really.
We don't know how this is going to work out.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: We. Exactly. We did not know how. We hoped and we trusted, but we didn't know.
We didn't. Hell, we didn't know if we were all going to get released. We didn't. We didn't know where this thing was going to go.
And I think Marvin, at some point along the way, was a little bit dubious, too, as far as how it was going to go. You had to trust him. You had to trust the unification of your teammates and let's roll.
[00:29:27] Speaker A: And Catfish Hunter, obviously, you know, became a free agent through that. What you mentioned about them not paying the annuity, like, is he somebody, you think, in union history that people need to remember, too, as a guy who really was involved in a. In a huge, you know, event in the history of the union?
[00:29:48] Speaker B: For sure, for sure.
Again, I'm sure it was through, through Marvin's guidance and advice that all that went down the way it did.
You know, if we would have Marvin to advise, I don't know what Cat would have done, you know, with Marvin saying, look, this is what it says.
Now we got to go to the judge to have him validate that.
[00:30:10] Speaker A: You have a unique distinction, which is, I guess you're the only guy who lost a perfect game on his own throwing you right.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's what they say, anyway.
Yeah, it was. It was the fourth inning. You know, you're just trying to get people out swinging. Blunt on the third baseline. I got to pick it up and spin and throw sidearm the first. And usually when you throw sidearm, the ball moves from left to right. This one didn't, you know, Tommy McCraw did everything he could to catch it and couldn't catch it. So, you know, that was kind of the way I probably had a little bit more time than I thought. It's Sal Bando running, so he's no Speed Merchant, but, you know, that's kind of the way it was.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: Well, you did get a no hitter, so that's pretty good.
[00:30:56] Speaker B: Well, it was after four. One hitter, so I knew where I was going and I knew what I was doing.
And I knew after the 7th or the 6th anyway that I wasn't going to be anything that I did that was going to screw it up. A ground ball might have found its way through. A fly ball might have fallen in. But I was not going to be the guy that was going to screw that up by making a bad pitch. That's how good I felt that day.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: You have a good memory.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Quite honestly, I remembered more things than I thought I'd remember.
[00:31:23] Speaker A: Thanks so much. This was amazing.
[00:31:25] Speaker B: You're welcome.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: Thank you to Dick Bosman for his recollections and his time. This has been an episode of the mobpa's Stitch by Stitch podcast, connecting players from the past, present and future.
Thank you for listening.
